diff --git a/src/Dodge/Creature/HandPos.hs b/src/Dodge/Creature/HandPos.hs
index 03076841d..d605f65db 100644
--- a/src/Dodge/Creature/HandPos.hs
+++ b/src/Dodge/Creature/HandPos.hs
@@ -1,7 +1,5 @@
 module Dodge.Creature.HandPos (
-    aimingWeaponZeroPos,
-    aimingMuzzlePos,
-    aimingMuzzleLength,
+--    aimingWeaponZeroPos,
     translatePointToLeftHand,
     translatePointToRightHand,
     translatePointToHead,
@@ -21,30 +19,8 @@ import Data.Maybe
 import Dodge.Creature.Test
 import Dodge.Data.Creature
 import Geometry
-import Linear
 import ShapePicture
 
--- the position of a weapon handle
-aimingWeaponHandlePos :: Creature -> Item -> Point2
-aimingWeaponHandlePos _ it = case it ^? itUse . heldAim . aimStance of
-    Just TwoHandUnder -> V2 (-2) 0
-    Just TwoHandOver -> V2 (-7) 0
-    Just OneHand -> V2 10 (-2)
-    Just TwoHandFlat -> V2 10 0
-    Nothing -> 0
-
-aimingWeaponZeroPos :: Creature -> Item -> Point2
-aimingWeaponZeroPos cr it =
-    aimingWeaponHandlePos cr it
-        - fromMaybe 0 (it ^? itUse . heldAim . aimHandlePos)
-
-aimingMuzzlePos :: Creature -> Item -> [Point2]
-aimingMuzzlePos cr it = fmap ((+ zp) . _mzPos) (it ^.. itUse . heldAim . aimMuzzles . folded)
-  where
-    zp = aimingWeaponZeroPos cr it
-
-aimingMuzzleLength :: Creature -> Item -> Float
-aimingMuzzleLength cr it = head (aimingMuzzlePos cr it) ^. _x
 
 translatePointToRightHand :: Creature -> Point3 -> Point3
 translatePointToRightHand cr = translatePointToRightHand' cr . mirrorV3xz
diff --git a/src/Dodge/HeldUse.hs b/src/Dodge/HeldUse.hs
index b83a65de9..9b6cf3e5e 100644
--- a/src/Dodge/HeldUse.hs
+++ b/src/Dodge/HeldUse.hs
@@ -164,8 +164,9 @@ makeMuzzleFlare mz itmtree cr = case mz ^. mzFlareType of
 --            .:~ tlsTimeRadColPos 1 100 (V3 0 0 1) (pos `v2z` 10)
   where
     itm = itmtree ^. ldtValue
-    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm)
-    dir = _crDir cr + _mzRot mz
+    (moff,mrot) = heldItemOrient2D itm cr (_mzPos mz) (_mzRot mz)
+    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) moff
+    dir = _crDir cr + mrot
 
 --{-# OPTIONS -Wno-incomplete-uni-patterns #-}
 muzFlareAt :: Color -> Point3 -> Float -> World -> World
@@ -295,10 +296,11 @@ shootLaser itmtree cr mz w =
                 }
   where
     itm = itmtree ^. ldtValue
-    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm)
+    (moff,mrot) = heldItemOrient2D itm cr (_mzPos mz) (_mzRot mz)
+    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) moff
+    dir = _crDir cr + mrot + a
     (a, g) = randomR (- inacc, inacc) $ _randGen w
     inacc = _mzInaccuracy mz
-    dir = _crDir cr + _mzRot mz + a
 
 lasRayAt :: Color -> Int -> Float -> Point2 -> Float -> LaserStart
 lasRayAt col dam phasev pos dir =
@@ -363,7 +365,10 @@ getBulletTrajectory mz itm bt tp cr w = case bt of
     BezierTrajectoryType -> BezierTrajectory bulpos tp (mouseWorldPos (w ^. input) (w ^. wCam))
     MagnetTrajectoryType -> MagnetTrajectory tp
   where
-    bulpos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm + V2 0 offset)
+    (moff,mrot) = heldItemOrient2D itm cr (_mzPos mz + V2 0 offset) (_mzRot mz)
+    bulpos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) moff
+--    dir = _crDir cr + mrot + a
+--    bulpos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm + V2 0 offset)
     offset = case itm ^? itUse . heldParams . randomOffset of
         Just x | x /= 0 -> fst . randomR (- x, x) $ _randGen w
         _ -> 0
@@ -392,8 +397,6 @@ makeBullet thebullet itm cr mz w =
                     & buDrag *~ drag
                 )
   where
---    bulpos = _crPos cr 
---        + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm + V2 0 offset)
     (moff,mrot) = heldItemOrient2D itm cr (_mzPos mz + V2 0 offset) (_mzRot mz)
     bulpos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) moff
     (a, g'') = randomR (- inacc, inacc) $ _randGen w
@@ -438,10 +441,12 @@ useGasParams mmagid mz itm cr w =
         fueltype <- cr ^? crInv . ix magid . itUse . amagParams . ampCreateGas
         gc <- itm ^? itUse . heldParams . gasCreation
         return $ gasCreate fueltype gc
-    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm)
+    --pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm)
+    (moff,mrot) = heldItemOrient2D itm cr (_mzPos mz) (_mzRot mz)
+    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) moff
     (a, g') = randomR (- inacc, inacc) g
     inacc = _mzInaccuracy mz
-    dir = _crDir cr + _mzRot mz + a + _nzCurrentWalkAngle (_mzEffect mz)
+    dir = _crDir cr + mrot + a + _nzCurrentWalkAngle (_mzEffect mz)
 
 gasCreate :: GasFuel -> GasCreate -> GasCreate
 gasCreate = const id
@@ -487,8 +492,9 @@ shootTeslaArc itm cr mz w =
     -- use items item location instead
     itRef = cr ^?! crManipulation . manObject . imRootSelectedItem -- unsafe!! TODO change
     (w', ip) = makeTeslaArc (_itParams itm) pos dir w
-    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) (_mzPos mz + aimingWeaponZeroPos cr itm)
-    dir = _crDir cr + _mzRot mz
+    (moff,mrot) = heldItemOrient2D itm cr (_mzPos mz) (_mzRot mz)
+    pos = _crPos cr + rotateV (_crDir cr) moff
+    dir = _crDir cr + mrot
 
 determineProjectileTracking ::
     LabelDoubleTree ComposeLinkType Item ->
diff --git a/src/Dodge/Item/HeldOffset.hs b/src/Dodge/Item/HeldOffset.hs
index 8ce404cde..59adcdb5e 100644
--- a/src/Dodge/Item/HeldOffset.hs
+++ b/src/Dodge/Item/HeldOffset.hs
@@ -61,6 +61,21 @@ heldItemRelativeOrient itm cr (p,q)
     f i = 0.1 * fromIntegral (sLen - i) / fromIntegral sLen
     sLen = _strideLength $ _crStance cr
 
+aimingWeaponZeroPos :: Creature -> Item -> Point2
+aimingWeaponZeroPos cr it =
+    aimingWeaponHandlePos cr it
+        - fromMaybe 0 (it ^? itUse . heldAim . aimHandlePos)
+
+-- the position of a weapon handle
+aimingWeaponHandlePos :: Creature -> Item -> Point2
+aimingWeaponHandlePos _ it = case it ^? itUse . heldAim . aimStance of
+    Just TwoHandUnder -> V2 (-2) 0
+    Just TwoHandOver -> V2 (-7) 0
+    Just OneHand -> V2 10 (-2)
+    Just TwoHandFlat -> V2 10 0
+    Nothing -> 0
+
+
 heldItemOffset :: Item -> Creature -> Point3 -> Point3
 heldItemOffset itm cr p = fst (heldItemRelativeOrient itm cr (p,Q.qID))
 
diff --git a/src/Dodge/Item/Weapon/Shatter.hs b/src/Dodge/Item/Weapon/Shatter.hs
index b9c1d0294..c42e2e029 100644
--- a/src/Dodge/Item/Weapon/Shatter.hs
+++ b/src/Dodge/Item/Weapon/Shatter.hs
@@ -2,7 +2,6 @@ module Dodge.Item.Weapon.Shatter where
 
 import Dodge.Base.Collide
 import Dodge.Block.Debris
-import Dodge.Creature.HandPos
 import Dodge.Data.World
 import Dodge.Wall.Damage
 import Geometry
@@ -10,7 +9,7 @@ import LensHelp
 
 
 shootShatter :: Item -> Creature -> World -> World
-shootShatter it cr w =
+shootShatter _ cr w =
     maybe w (uncurry $ shatterWall w sp ep) $
         sequence $
             collidePointWallsFilter canshatter sp ep w
@@ -19,7 +18,8 @@ shootShatter it cr w =
         Opaque {} -> True
         SeeThrough -> True
         _ -> False
-    sp = _crPos cr +.+ aimingMuzzleLength cr it *.* unitVectorAtAngle dir
+    sp = _crPos cr +.+ 10 *.* unitVectorAtAngle dir
+    -- the 10 is arbtrary and should be changed to a muzzle position
     dir = _crDir cr
     ep = sp +.+ 200 *.* unitVectorAtAngle dir